Warriors, Rogues, and Ret Paladins, 2.0 Options

[Rekless]

After seeing Izercotha's specs, I was obligated to show some of mine.

Arms
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#LcrhdfIt0brRzGuioGx0s:sVzMzo
Tactical Mastery is broken so change around the extra one point in Anger Management if you want.
Obviously if you use a sword, you would put 5 into sword spec (mace spec is broken I've heard).

Mutilate/Prep
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#f0esoeMsVro...ebfb0hdb:TijmzV
Improved Eviscerate isn't worth getting since Eviscerate doesn't scale with attack power on here. Once again, change around the extra point in Blood Splatter, but its really hard to say whats best because it all depends on your play style.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sZVG0VMZVfbtrIuGdubsu:0AVcz0
Once again, move your points around according to what you want. Fanaticism to crit with judgment more, or Crusade to do more overall damage.

Also take the glyphs into consideration, the Glyph of Hamstring is vital for the arms spec.

All of these specs aren't 100% what you should use, change them to your play style. They are just what I would use, and are pretty good (not to be modest).

[Nova121]

I really like the ret pally spec and your edit to rogue build and had some questions regarding them.

For the paladin build, is there a reason you invested points into Improved Blessing of Might rather than Improved Righteous Fury? For the same amount of talent points, an additional 140 attack power doesn't seem worth it compared to 4% less damage taken. I was also wondering about how well Eye for an Eye worked for you.

I don't have any disputes regarding rogue talent points and was more interested in the finishers you used. Without eviscerate, do you end fights through your poisons with envenom, keep up slice and dice for extra damage, or rupture them and let the bleed effect finish things?

Last but not least, do you have a hunter spec as I've been struggling to find the right one.

[Barracuda]

Im sorry this might be a stupid question but shouldnt wars use improved harmsting?I think it will be quite useful in arenas to help your partnet get awey from harm.

[3azy]

Im sorry this might be a stupid question but shouldnt wars use improved harmsting?I think it will be quite useful in arenas to help your partnet get awey from harm.

yep its really important

oh and btw warrior specc sucks hard,sry .... improved charge, NO NEED,booming voice,hmm k but you can increase the duration by glyphs...
no improved harmstring,fail,3 points parry should be 5 .... sudden death,wont specc it,maybe nice in bg or world pvp but i think not necessary for arena and btw execute is fcked up here,the dmg is pathetic (low)

[wangsta]

am sorry ... GTFO ?

[Barracuda]

What about mocking blow.Should wars use it? I use it because i think it is like a free hit and costs only 10 rage.And with that glyph of mocking blow whotch adds 25% dmg?

[xChronicle]

No Serrated Blades?

[3azy]

What about mocking blow.Should wars use it? I use it because i think it is like a free hit and costs only 10 rage.And with that glyph of mocking blow whotch adds 25% dmg?

yep i also use it,doesnt reset autoswing and its instant

[edino]

specing iniative in subtley is useless imo since cheap shot gives you 3 cp and mutilate 2cp.. = 5 cp

[Rekless]

yep its really important

oh and btw warrior specc sucks hard,sry .... improved charge, NO NEED,booming voice,hmm k but you can increase the duration by glyphs...
no improved harmstring,fail,3 points parry should be 5 .... sudden death,wont specc it,maybe nice in bg or world pvp but i think not necessary for arena and btw execute is fcked up here,the dmg is pathetic (low)

Improved charge is good with Juggernaut, it helps prevent you from rage starving.
Booming Voice also increases the range of your shouts (like demoralizing shout) which you can use to destealth rogues.
No improved hamstring because the glyph is the same as rank 2/3, maybe if Tactical Mastery worked you could put the points to better use, but still.
The parry talent is only good for fighting against warriors...
Sudden death is viable for arena, that extra burst does more than you think, even though Execute doesn't seem to hit for a lot on here.

[Rekless]

I really like the ret pally spec and your edit to rogue build and had some questions regarding them.

For the paladin build, is there a reason you invested points into Improved Blessing of Might rather than Improved Righteous Fury? For the same amount of talent points, an additional 140 attack power doesn't seem worth it compared to 4% less damage taken. I was also wondering about how well Eye for an Eye worked for you.

I don't have any disputes regarding rogue talent points and was more interested in the finishers you used. Without eviscerate, do you end fights through your poisons with envenom, keep up slice and dice for extra damage, or rupture them and let the bleed effect finish things?

Last but not least, do you have a hunter spec as I've been struggling to find the right one.

I'd would rather have 140 more ap than take 4% less damage, but thats just how I play. Eye for an Eye works really well, it seems to be bugged and can exceed 50% of my max health (like on the guards in AV).

I don't use envenom because Master Poisoner is broken, and because of Eviscerate's bugged damage I end up using Slice and Dice and Rupture more than usual, critting for 1k with a dagger swing is really good. But I find the rare times I Eviscerate people.

And I know nothing of hunters, sorry

[Deject3d]

here is real rogue spec :|

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#f0efogMsVMoGzZbxZxbfbRRzb

1/3 initiative is still 100% proc chance

stealth related talents don't work / are useless (tested)

[Allynab]

here is real rogue spec :|

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#f0efogMsVMoGzZbxZxbfbRRzb

1/3 initiative is still 100% proc chance

stealth related talents don't work / are useless (tested)

Nice spec...though Id take those 2 points from Improved Gouge and Id put them in Murder...

[xChronicle]

Nice spec...though Id take those 2 points from Improved Gouge and Id put them in Murder...

Does Serrated Blades not work?

[Certain]

yep its really important

oh and btw warrior specc sucks hard,sry .... improved charge, NO NEED,booming voice,hmm k but you can increase the duration by glyphs...
no improved harmstring,fail,3 points parry should be 5 .... sudden death,wont specc it,maybe nice in bg or world pvp but i think not necessary for arena and btw execute is fcked up here,the dmg is pathetic (low)

Youre dumb, who ever speccs n imp harmstring is dumb, get the glyph instead.

[Europe]

Fail!

WHy use Sudden death? Execute takes like, 4k dmg atleast, and its 9% chance to proc..

Plus it takes ALL of ur Rage, Alot better to spend em on
Improved Hamstring..

hahaha

[Extacy]

it dosent take all of the rage

i dont know at least or last but it will take 30 rage

[Nhiyla]

You can actually afford to specc into Imp hamstring since retail specc is worthless here. sudden death 3/3 is bullshit so im using 0/3 and 3/3 hamstring which works out well, glyphs = ms sweeping + bladestorm

[Barracuda]

So improved harmsting isnt that important.Just buy the glyph?

[Cross]

if anyone's looking for a hemostep build here it is:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#fzeboeMoZ0xZcbfbIhzdAzA0o:dGi
personally i think mutilate isnt all that well compared to hemostep
and if you're looking for a hemostep(fist) with ambush macros:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#fzeboe0oZ0xZcbfbuGzdAzAbo:dzi