EVISECRATE Options

[HadokanSF]

It doesn't work. Plainly doesn't work. The damage is horrifically off and you hit 800-1k damage for a 5 pointer.

fix it please.


edit:spelled the name wrong, my anger confused my sense of word knowledge.

[daniellr]

not important, ive got a rogue in deadly and ive got no problem taking most people out, rogues are decent enough

[Savagekiller]

not important, ive got a rogue in deadly and ive got no problem taking most people out, rogues are decent enough

No that wouldn't be fair to leave it broken. It's just a matter of how large a priority it is to fix it.

[MrBananaMan]

fixed

[Deject3d]

5 point 1k eviscerates are fun

[HadokanSF]

because of it's versatility this talent should be fixed

because 5pt=1k win?

[MrBananaMan]

it's actually still only hitting for 1k, it needs a fix asap!!!

[3azy]

/sign ,eviscerate is a joke here ....

[HadokanSF]

bump for fix

[Rekless]

Eviscerate doesn't benefit from attack power.

[Loj]

Eviscerate doesn't benefit from attack power.

It didn't back in Vanilla, but now it does.

With around 3k AP your eviscerates should be hitting top end for around 3.2k.

But like others have said, do rogues really need that much more damage? That's like me complaining that my Steady Shot only does 350 on Cloth.

[Rekless]

It didn't back in Vanilla, but now it does.

With around 3k AP your eviscerates should be hitting top end for around 3.2k.

But like others have said, do rogues really need that much more damage? That's like me complaining that my Steady Shot only does 350 on Cloth.

Watch a PvP video and pay attention to the 5k Eviscerates on fully geared players. Kthx

[Europe]

It didn't back in Vanilla, but now it does.

With around 3k AP your eviscerates should be hitting top end for around 3.2k.

But like others have said, do rogues really need that much more damage? That's like me complaining that my Steady Shot only does 350 on Cloth.

WIN!

[Loj]

Watch a PvP video and pay attention to the 5k Eviscerates on fully geared players. Kthx

I was supporting the idea, you tool. You think a full geared rogue only has 3k AP? My Rogue has 5.4k AP which would mean around a 5.5k ish Eviscerate HIT. Meaning Cold Blood Eviscerate would demolish nearly anything in less than Plate with a hefty 12k+ crit.

Kthx.

[Rekless]

I was supporting the idea, you tool. You think a full geared rogue only has 3k AP? My Rogue has 5.4k AP which would mean around a 5.5k ish Eviscerate HIT. Meaning Cold Blood Eviscerate would demolish nearly anything in less than Plate with a hefty 12k+ crit.

Kthx.

Fully geared rogues don't hit for "5.5k ish" on this server though, and especially don't hit for 12k+

I got my information from Rarly who plays his rogue a lot, so take it up with him further.

[carlos]

I got my information from Rarly who plays his rogue a lot, so take it up with him further.

You dont even have a rogue =p...

Btw, 5400 AP on ur rogue its almost impossible id have to say, i stack AP on full relent, half enchanted, and im 4400 only...

[Rekless]

You dont even have a rogue =p...

Btw, 5400 AP on ur rogue its almost impossible id have to say, i stack AP on full relent, half enchanted, and im 4400 only...

I do have a rogue, hes just not fully geared, but that's aside from the point.

[MrBananaMan]

My eviscerate (2300 ap) crits teh training dummy and van for around 5.5k, but hits players for like 1.5k or less.

[3azy]

3k eviscerate maximum?? LOL? rogues with round about 3.5k-4k ap do AT LEAST 6-9k eviscerate on clothies

My warrior does double the damage of eviscerate with a autohit,its pathetic,just sayin and if you got time optical could you fix cloak,because paladins just ignore it and we really really need it

[MrBananaMan]

It didn't back in Vanilla, but now it does.

With around 3k AP your eviscerates should be hitting top end for around 3.2k.

But like others have said, do rogues really need that much more damage? That's like me complaining that my Steady Shot only does 350 on Cloth.

What do you mean? Why would you not want a rogue how it is supposed to be? You are not the sole voice for supporting not giving people their skills, please keep it blizzlike as much as possible.

[3azy]

It didn't back in Vanilla, but now it does.

With around 3k AP your eviscerates should be hitting top end for around 3.2k.

But like others have said, do rogues really need that much more damage? That's like me complaining that my Steady Shot only does 350 on Cloth.

are u fckin retarded?!?!?!? ever played a rogue???! 3k eviscerate,i did this in bc ..lol....

[Loj]

It is because of the mentally incapacitated Rogue population here:

are u fckin retarded?!?!?!? ever played a rogue???! 3k eviscerate,i did this in bc ..lol....

that my post was.. limited.

No, your rogue didn't hit a 3k eviscerate in TBC. No, that's not under estimating. That's the fucking math.

Now, before more morons try to flame it, look at the fucking math then whine.

Thanks.


P.S. (3k ap will produce a 3.2k top end eviscerate, which is pretty powerful for how low the AP is and not including any crits or crit multipliers.)

[Kursh]

[1977 + AP * 0.15]-[2231 + AP * 0.35]

For 5 points of course. Non-improved.

[Loj]

[1977 + AP * 0.15]-[2231 + AP * 0.35]

For 5 points of course. Non-improved.

So the high end with 3k ap would be:

2231 + 3000 *.35 =

2231 + 1035 = 3266


God I love math. Thank you Kursh, for linking the ability.

[Rekless]

So the high end with 3k ap would be:

2231 + 3000 *.35 =

2231 + 1035 = 3266


God I love math. Thank you Kursh, for linking the ability.

Loj are you retarded?

Based off 3000 AP
2427 - 3281 Unmitigated damage.. then add Improved Eviscerate and you get
[3281 * 1.2 = ] 3927 top-damage non-crit
NON CRIT IS THE KEYWORD

Rogues are critting for less than the non-crit damage.

KTHX

EDIT: i eat babies

[LampaN]

Loj are you retarded?

Based off 3000 AP
2427 - 3281 Unmitigated damage.. then add Improved Eviscerate and you get
[3281 * 1.2 = ] 3927 top-damage non-crit
NON CRIT IS THE KEYWORD

Rogues are critting for less than the non-crit damage.

KTHX

EDIT: i eat babies

Holy shit, Rekless is plowing trough it all! Solving all our problems! Optical junior?

[xChronicle]

5.4k AP

Screenshot nao.

[Deject3d]

Holy shit, Rekless is plowing trough it all! Solving all our problems! Optical junior?

my sarcasm detector seems to be malfunctioning

if sarcasm:
wow you're bad at sarcasm

if not:
you realize he just copied and pasted the first wowhead comment for eviscerate, right?

[Rekless]

my sarcasm detector seems to be malfunctioning

if sarcasm:
wow you're bad at sarcasm

if not:
you realize he just copied and pasted the first wowhead comment for eviscerate, right?

which makes it even funnier

[Nhiyla]

lol yea evis is totaly fucked :<

trained to iceblock 5cp cb evis for ages on retail and u dont even need it here lmao

[HadokanSF]

lol yea evis is totaly fucked :<

trained to iceblock 5cp cb evis for ages on retail and u dont even need it here lmao

dude you should teach me how to do this


anyways
we need a major fix on the damage cause it seems like it is not scaling w/ AP at all

[Lolistab]

Just use rupture.

[HadokanSF]

i know but you don't want them to be running around w/ 1000 hp and have a bleed on them and have the potential of being healed. you want to finish that ho

[Lolistab]

Kill their healer.

[XxJakexX]

i rarly play rogue and i say it needs fixing.... its a great move when target is on low hp, cold blood plus 5pt eviscerate (pardon my spelling, and tbh.. im not sure if its spelled wrong :X)

[Deject3d]

Just use rupture.

actually, use slice and dice.


it increases your damage as well as attack speed for some reason

[HadokanSF]

actually, use slice and dice.


it increases your damage as well as attack speed for some reason

you mean it increases your attack speed but increases your damage for some reason?

you said it backwards

[Sixthsense]

you want to finish that ho

Lul. I also support this thread.

[Rekless]

Kill their healer.

Then the other person will kill you while you are burning through heals.

[Deject3d]

you mean it increases your attack speed but increases your damage for some reason?

you said it backwards

slice and dice is supposed to:

* increase attack speed

currently, slice and dice:

* increases attack speed
* increases damage done by unknown amount (7k -> 10k mutilates)

i'm not sure how i said it backwards.

[Rekless]

slice and dice is supposed to:

* increase attack speed

currently, slice and dice:

* increases attack speed
* increases damage done by unknown amount (7k -> 10k mutilates)

i'm not sure how i said it backwards.

I just tested with Flametongue, it doesn't increase damage of your melee swings or any special attacks at all.

[Deject3d]

I just tested with Flametongue, it doesn't increase damage of your melee swings or any special attacks at all.

it greatly increased my damage on the dummy. Tested with monochrome and my mutilates gained 1k+ damage consistently. didn't watch white damage.

sorry if it doesn't work for you bro.

[Rekless]

it greatly increased my damage on the dummy. Tested with monochrome and my mutilates gained 1k+ damage consistently. didn't watch white damage.

sorry if it doesn't work for you bro.

Hmm well Monochrome is a resto shaman... Maybe the 10% physical damage reduction from his heal crits were throwing you off, not to sound offensive.
But this was thoroughly tested and obviously didn't increase damage, Flametongue even suggested so before we were done testing.

The training dummy part makes sense, theres always the stacked Blood Frenzy debuff from Warriors' bugged talent, its just not effective testing on the dummies.

But if it did increase damage, then this would also increase Eviscerate's damage maybe?

[Darksmile]

/bump, I support this.

[Zukiros]

not important, ive got a rogue in deadly and ive got no problem taking most people out, rogues are decent enough

You obviously stunlocked a savage boomkin without a pvp trinket and have no idea how to play rogue. Please gtfo.


Fix it pls.

[Deject3d]

Hmm well Monochrome is a resto shaman... Maybe the 10% physical damage reduction from his heal crits were throwing you off, not to sound offensive.
But this was thoroughly tested and obviously didn't increase damage, Flametongue even suggested so before we were done testing.

The training dummy part makes sense, theres always the stacked Blood Frenzy debuff from Warriors' bugged talent, its just not effective testing on the dummies.

But if it did increase damage, then this would also increase Eviscerate's damage maybe?

Ungeared without slice and dice.



Ungeared with slice and dice



Difference? VERY little. although consistent results.



Geared without slice and dice



Geared with slice and dice



noticeable difference? yes

consistent results? yes

small test sample? yes

variables? none but gear and slice and dice. berserking was up for all mutilates in the geared tests. one blood frenzy thing through all tests.

[HadokanSF]

You obviously stunlocked a savage boomkin without a pvp trinket and have no idea how to play rogue. Please gtfo.


Fix it pls.

the druid probably forgot to use barkskin too

[zano316]

Bump for fix

[Skipz]

Fix it, this is annoying.

[Awko]

Eviscerate really needs a fix and fast, also i would like dismantle to work as intended as well, removing shields and ranged weapons, etc.

[Nhiyla]

its removing ranged, just not shield

[Certain]

WTB envenom fixed instead of eviscerate.

[Zukiros]

WTB envenom fixed instead of eviscerate.

No.

[xChronicle]

No.

This is the only time I've agreed with Certain.

You have no idea how to play a rogue kiddo.

[Deject3d]

This is the only time I've agreed with Certain.

You have no idea how to play a rogue kiddo.

hay >:|

envenom is a fun gimmick

[xChronicle]

hay >:|

envenom is a fun gimmick

And it crits hard on paladins.

<3

[Zukiros]

And it crits hard on paladins.

<3

Its gay .. fixing vanish is more important

[Nans]

I support the idea of fixing eviscerate.

[zano316]

I support the idea of fixing eviscerate.

Fix now kgo.

[HadokanSF]

I support the idea of fixing eviscerate.

[ephex]

without evi rogue can't kb.

[HadokanSF]

without evi rogue can't kb.

lol what do you mean your retired? Jay-Z retired, now he's back. lolololololololl

[Buddhistlol]

Bump to fix Eviscerate

And also fix vanish so that when we use it, it cancel's the mages frostbolt instead of them continuing to cast it and it breaks us out of stealth

So protip for now is : Dont vanish when they are casting something

[Deject3d]

Bump to fix Eviscerate

And also fix vanish so that when we use it, it cancel's the mages frostbolt instead of them continuing to cast it and it breaks us out of stealth

So protip for now is : Dont vanish when they are casting something

i successfully vanished a sheep once.

i was an invisible sheep for a while.

[Sixthsense]

Bumpity bump bump.

[Syncron]

Warning level goes over 9000!!!

[Janar]

No problem guys i fixed it.

[Inzi]

plox fix

[Rarly]

plox fix

Yeah it's not fun with 2k 5pointers. =/

[Tidehunter &...]

Yeah it's not fun with 2k 5pointers. =/

how about a 24k conflagrate ?

[Gforce]

FIXXXXXXXXXXXXX EVISCERATEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Candy]

fix'd

[Marklar]

lolcats are always relevant

[BluDSteel]

fixed my ass
my evis damage is still shit :[